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	<title>Comments on: Is market anarchism derived from classical liberalism or socialism?</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A lot of the issues have to do purely with semantics. Anarchists the like of Benjamin Tucker or Lysander Spooner, they called themselves &quot;Socialist&quot; but that was at a time when the term &quot;socialism&quot; was rather ambiguous, it had little connotations other then the desire for social upliftment of the working poor. Marx, Bakun, Spooner, three totally different ideologues but each calling themselves &quot;socialist&quot;. According to the former two, however, socialism is when the working-class jointly control the &quot;means of production&quot;. According to Spooner or Tucker, socialism would be when any person(s) controls the &quot;means of production&quot;. 
 
They (Spooner/Tucker) called it socialist, but what they really meant was &quot;entrepreneur&quot;. Socialism as later established be in the Marxist or Bakunin tradition, always meant to refer to a joint or class ownership of resources or means of production. Unlike Spooner/Tucker who always believed in individual ownership, the right to property, and so forth. Had Spooner or Tucker lived today, or in the 1900&#039;s, I doubt they would have used the term &quot;socialist&quot;. Since their take on socialism merely meant that EACH person controls their own means of production, and not that there should be a joint control of the means of production. 
 
The disdain for &quot;capitalism&quot; among some market anarchists today is purely emotionalism as derived from semantics and bias. If the collectivist-socialists expressed disdain for what they called &quot;capitalism&quot;, should market anarchists do so too? Even if the collectivist-socialists considered everything market anarchists believe in to also be part of that &quot;capitalism&quot;? How would you like it if someone just wrote you off for calling yourself left-wing or &quot;socialist&quot;, since both these terms are associated with being antagonistic to free-markets. 
 
Semantics and romanticism has led to those people who associate themselves with those semantics/labels to have a bias. A weird form individualistic romanticism but lacking the true substance for individualism. Instead you become a form of collectivists in a way by lumping together labels. Capitalism is bad, therefore we hate all forms of capitalism. Meanwhile, other Libertarians (call us Right-wing or what have you), we look at it objectively and separate the free-market capitalism from the crony-capitalism, the corporatism and corporatocracy from the entrepreneurship. We dare not to lump all &quot;capitalism&quot; as one.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of the issues have to do purely with semantics. Anarchists the like of Benjamin Tucker or Lysander Spooner, they called themselves &quot;Socialist&quot; but that was at a time when the term &quot;socialism&quot; was rather ambiguous, it had little connotations other then the desire for social upliftment of the working poor. Marx, Bakun, Spooner, three totally different ideologues but each calling themselves &quot;socialist&quot;. According to the former two, however, socialism is when the working-class jointly control the &quot;means of production&quot;. According to Spooner or Tucker, socialism would be when any person(s) controls the &quot;means of production&quot;. </p>
<p>They (Spooner/Tucker) called it socialist, but what they really meant was &quot;entrepreneur&quot;. Socialism as later established be in the Marxist or Bakunin tradition, always meant to refer to a joint or class ownership of resources or means of production. Unlike Spooner/Tucker who always believed in individual ownership, the right to property, and so forth. Had Spooner or Tucker lived today, or in the 1900&#039;s, I doubt they would have used the term &quot;socialist&quot;. Since their take on socialism merely meant that EACH person controls their own means of production, and not that there should be a joint control of the means of production. </p>
<p>The disdain for &quot;capitalism&quot; among some market anarchists today is purely emotionalism as derived from semantics and bias. If the collectivist-socialists expressed disdain for what they called &quot;capitalism&quot;, should market anarchists do so too? Even if the collectivist-socialists considered everything market anarchists believe in to also be part of that &quot;capitalism&quot;? How would you like it if someone just wrote you off for calling yourself left-wing or &quot;socialist&quot;, since both these terms are associated with being antagonistic to free-markets. </p>
<p>Semantics and romanticism has led to those people who associate themselves with those semantics/labels to have a bias. A weird form individualistic romanticism but lacking the true substance for individualism. Instead you become a form of collectivists in a way by lumping together labels. Capitalism is bad, therefore we hate all forms of capitalism. Meanwhile, other Libertarians (call us Right-wing or what have you), we look at it objectively and separate the free-market capitalism from the crony-capitalism, the corporatism and corporatocracy from the entrepreneurship. We dare not to lump all &quot;capitalism&quot; as one.   </p>
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