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		<title>By: Miami escorts</title>
		<link>http://c4ss.org/content/841/comment-page-1#comment-11646</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miami escorts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2010 08:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very interesting blog, good job! ]]></description>
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		<title>By: Miami escorts</title>
		<link>http://c4ss.org/content/841/comment-page-1#comment-11643</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miami escorts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2010 08:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very interesting blog, I like it, good job! ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting blog, I like it, good job! </p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bindner</title>
		<link>http://c4ss.org/content/841/comment-page-1#comment-694</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bindner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Consent is not that hard to determine.  If she is drunk or high, a child, under the control of pimp - especially if she doesn&#039;t speak english, you can be pretty sure she is not able to give consent.  If you are dealing with such a situation in the guise of prostitution, the only honorable thing for an anarchist to do is to rescue the poor girl and shoot the pimp if he comes after you.  If there is no pimp and you are dealing with an addict or a child, give up any goals of sex and act like a concerned parent.

While prostitution is legal in some places - often with salutory effects on the prostitutes themselves - in general it is not going to expand in legality unless we take care of the problem cases - not because it shouldn&#039;t legalized (and I think it should be) but because the voting public won&#039;t allow it to be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consent is not that hard to determine.  If she is drunk or high, a child, under the control of pimp &#8211; especially if she doesn&#8217;t speak english, you can be pretty sure she is not able to give consent.  If you are dealing with such a situation in the guise of prostitution, the only honorable thing for an anarchist to do is to rescue the poor girl and shoot the pimp if he comes after you.  If there is no pimp and you are dealing with an addict or a child, give up any goals of sex and act like a concerned parent.</p>
<p>While prostitution is legal in some places &#8211; often with salutory effects on the prostitutes themselves &#8211; in general it is not going to expand in legality unless we take care of the problem cases &#8211; not because it shouldn&#8217;t legalized (and I think it should be) but because the voting public won&#8217;t allow it to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Gogulski</title>
		<link>http://c4ss.org/content/841/comment-page-1#comment-681</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Gogulski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael, 
 
Re: informed consent, that may be so. However, one must adopt some sort of benevolent omniscient perspective in order to determine whether another is capable of granting that consent. I&#039;d prefer to just ask them, rather than presuming. 
 
Prostitution already &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; legal in any number of jurisdictions on this watery rock of ours. This observation alone reduces the last statement to a non sequitur, though I do see where you&#039;re coming from. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>Re: informed consent, that may be so. However, one must adopt some sort of benevolent omniscient perspective in order to determine whether another is capable of granting that consent. I&#39;d prefer to just ask them, rather than presuming.</p>
<p>Prostitution already <em>is</em> legal in any number of jurisdictions on this watery rock of ours. This observation alone reduces the last statement to a non sequitur, though I do see where you&#39;re coming from. </p>
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		<title>By: Alex R. Knight III</title>
		<link>http://c4ss.org/content/841/comment-page-1#comment-679</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex R. Knight III]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A good point, xveganx.  Enlightened, in fact.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good point, xveganx.  Enlightened, in fact.</p>
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		<title>By: xveganx</title>
		<link>http://c4ss.org/content/841/comment-page-1#comment-678</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Before i begin, i want to make it clear i love craigslist, i love sex, and i hate the state.

I agree completely with the thesis of this post.  However, i want to make a minor point of contention.

&quot;What’s the difference between a simple date that ends in a sexual encounter, and one in which some money or other form of compensation changes hands?&quot;

One is a gift, the other; exchange.  This is the difference.  Even if there is no state there is a difference.   Even though many here don&#039;t want to see it, turning yourself and/or others into a commodity (whether through sex, labor, or anything else) is a reduction, rather than expansion.

I just hope that absent the state, most people will realize that the &quot;security&quot; or assuredness that comes with exchange was only necessary under the thievery of the state. (and other such institutions)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before i begin, i want to make it clear i love craigslist, i love sex, and i hate the state.</p>
<p>I agree completely with the thesis of this post.  However, i want to make a minor point of contention.</p>
<p>&#8220;What’s the difference between a simple date that ends in a sexual encounter, and one in which some money or other form of compensation changes hands?&#8221;</p>
<p>One is a gift, the other; exchange.  This is the difference.  Even if there is no state there is a difference.   Even though many here don&#8217;t want to see it, turning yourself and/or others into a commodity (whether through sex, labor, or anything else) is a reduction, rather than expansion.</p>
<p>I just hope that absent the state, most people will realize that the &#8220;security&#8221; or assuredness that comes with exchange was only necessary under the thievery of the state. (and other such institutions)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bindner</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bindner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike, addiction relates to their freedom to consent.  If someone is adled by drugs and alcohol their consent is likely not informed and they are likely to be taken advantage of.  In fact, putting the moves on someone who is high or drunk, even if they respond, is considered rape.  There is no room in prostitution for rape, which is why human trafficking and sex slavery must also remain illegal. 
 
Prostitution can never be legal until we all understand that no consent = rape. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, addiction relates to their freedom to consent.  If someone is adled by drugs and alcohol their consent is likely not informed and they are likely to be taken advantage of.  In fact, putting the moves on someone who is high or drunk, even if they respond, is considered rape.  There is no room in prostitution for rape, which is why human trafficking and sex slavery must also remain illegal.</p>
<p>Prostitution can never be legal until we all understand that no consent = rape. </p>
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		<title>By: Mike Gogulski</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;legalize prostitution at large between consenting adults who are free agents (from both human trafficking and addiction)&lt;/em&gt; 
 
I fail to see how someone&#039;s mental state (i.e. &quot;addiction&quot;) ought to enter into any kind of &quot;justice&quot; calculation regarding the sex trade. 
 
And most &quot;addicts&quot; rescue themselves, anyway. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>legalize prostitution at large between consenting adults who are free agents (from both human trafficking and addiction)</em></p>
<p>I fail to see how someone&#39;s mental state (i.e. &quot;addiction&quot;) ought to enter into any kind of &quot;justice&quot; calculation regarding the sex trade.</p>
<p>And most &quot;addicts&quot; rescue themselves, anyway. </p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bindner</title>
		<link>http://c4ss.org/content/841/comment-page-1#comment-675</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bindner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As long as prostitution is illegal, going after Internet prostitution is to be expected.

Two things need to happen to stop such government hijinks.  The first is to legalize prostitution at large between consenting adults who are free agents (from both human trafficking and addiction).  The second is to make sure that children, addicts and sex slaves (often all three) are rescued and given succor and treatment regardless of the legality of prostitution - even if they do not immediately consent to this.

Until the latter occurs, don&#039;t expect the former anytime soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as prostitution is illegal, going after Internet prostitution is to be expected.</p>
<p>Two things need to happen to stop such government hijinks.  The first is to legalize prostitution at large between consenting adults who are free agents (from both human trafficking and addiction).  The second is to make sure that children, addicts and sex slaves (often all three) are rescued and given succor and treatment regardless of the legality of prostitution &#8211; even if they do not immediately consent to this.</p>
<p>Until the latter occurs, don&#8217;t expect the former anytime soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Young</title>
		<link>http://c4ss.org/content/841/comment-page-1#comment-673</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger Young]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The “other war” on Craigslist is the slanderous attacks by the mainstream media.  Some fellow charged with murdering someone he met through a Craigslist ad is always referred to as the “Craigslist Killer.”  As if Craigslist was somehow involved in the murder.  If someone was caught selling stolen cars through ads placed in the Dallas Morning News, would he then be referred to as the “Dallas Morning News Thief?”  I seriously doubt it. 

When people see this inaccurate reference over and over it creates a negative image of the website in the minds of the uninformed, which of course, is exactly what the mainstream media, particularly newspapers, hope to achieve.  Craigslist is responsible for the loss of millions of dollars of classified advertising by these news organs.  This is their revenge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The “other war” on Craigslist is the slanderous attacks by the mainstream media.  Some fellow charged with murdering someone he met through a Craigslist ad is always referred to as the “Craigslist Killer.”  As if Craigslist was somehow involved in the murder.  If someone was caught selling stolen cars through ads placed in the Dallas Morning News, would he then be referred to as the “Dallas Morning News Thief?”  I seriously doubt it. </p>
<p>When people see this inaccurate reference over and over it creates a negative image of the website in the minds of the uninformed, which of course, is exactly what the mainstream media, particularly newspapers, hope to achieve.  Craigslist is responsible for the loss of millions of dollars of classified advertising by these news organs.  This is their revenge.</p>
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