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		<title>By: Aussie</title>
		<link>http://c4ss.org/content/792/comment-page-1#comment-752</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aussie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I look every day for an answer to this thing you have about stock exchanges a fractional reserve banking being connected Michael and I don&#039;t see anything. To be blunt, I don&#039;t think you have an answer because there is none, except probably something you wrongly assumed.  
 
So as even Alex Knight appears to be uninterested, despite the lengthy article he wrote, and has disappeared,  this seems like I&#039;m wasting my time so I&#039;ll do the same.  
Goodbye. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I look every day for an answer to this thing you have about stock exchanges a fractional reserve banking being connected Michael and I don&#39;t see anything. To be blunt, I don&#39;t think you have an answer because there is none, except probably something you wrongly assumed. </p>
<p>So as even Alex Knight appears to be uninterested, despite the lengthy article he wrote, and has disappeared,  this seems like I&#39;m wasting my time so I&#39;ll do the same. </p>
<p>Goodbye. </p>
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		<title>By: Aussie</title>
		<link>http://c4ss.org/content/792/comment-page-1#comment-746</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aussie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 01:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fractional Reserve banking is a disgrace. There is one law for bankers and a different law for every other type of business. 
 
I don&#039;t see this connection you make between stock exchanges and banks. Nobody wants to ban stock exchanges or even futures exchanges. However if you said there is a nexus with the futures markets and banks I would agree. An underhanded one to manipulate that needs something done about it. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fractional Reserve banking is a disgrace. There is one law for bankers and a different law for every other type of business.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t see this connection you make between stock exchanges and banks. Nobody wants to ban stock exchanges or even futures exchanges. However if you said there is a nexus with the futures markets and banks I would agree. An underhanded one to manipulate that needs something done about it. </p>
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		<title>By: Brad Spangler</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Michael -- I affirm and support the desirability of worker ownership. Additionally, I assert that workers are often the morally legit owners of an enterprise and that this is then directly at odds with the matter of who the state says owns a particular enterprise. 
 
However, it would be a very distinct claim, one that I don&#039;t believe you&#039;ve demonstrated, to further assert either that only worker ownership is morally defensible or the related claim that only worker ownership would be tolerated without the state. I do believe there are good reasons to suspect, though, that market competition without the state would result in a gradual but strong tendency towards greater worker ownership -- but that&#039;s a question of economic prediction rather than of what stateless property law ought to look like. 
 
In short, the history of joint ownership in the context of statism doesn&#039;t seem likely to directly tell us much about what joint ownership without statism would look like -- at least, not without more being said as to the reasons for thinking so beyond merely noting that X and Y were contemporaneous. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael &#8212; I affirm and support the desirability of worker ownership. Additionally, I assert that workers are often the morally legit owners of an enterprise and that this is then directly at odds with the matter of who the state says owns a particular enterprise.</p>
<p>However, it would be a very distinct claim, one that I don&#39;t believe you&#39;ve demonstrated, to further assert either that only worker ownership is morally defensible or the related claim that only worker ownership would be tolerated without the state. I do believe there are good reasons to suspect, though, that market competition without the state would result in a gradual but strong tendency towards greater worker ownership &#8212; but that&#39;s a question of economic prediction rather than of what stateless property law ought to look like.</p>
<p>In short, the history of joint ownership in the context of statism doesn&#39;t seem likely to directly tell us much about what joint ownership without statism would look like &#8212; at least, not without more being said as to the reasons for thinking so beyond merely noting that X and Y were contemporaneous. </p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bindner</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Central banks and fractional reserve banking arose in concert with stock exchanges.  You  can&#039;t abolish one with out banning the other one. 
 
Now if you wish to ban stock exchanges, I&#039;m willing to listen - else your equation is under specified. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Central banks and fractional reserve banking arose in concert with stock exchanges.  You  can&#39;t abolish one with out banning the other one.</p>
<p>Now if you wish to ban stock exchanges, I&#39;m willing to listen &#8211; else your equation is under specified. </p>
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		<title>By: Aussie</title>
		<link>http://c4ss.org/content/792/comment-page-1#comment-727</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They didn&#039;t go to the trouble of tricking president Wilson into signing what he did which includes the Jeckyl Island thing, to be Mr. Nice Guys. The are in it for themselves and look out for you if you get in their way.
You can believe president Kennedy was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald if you like. You can believe in the tooth fairy also. It is pretty clear to me who did it. Google Executive Order 11110
They usurped the government by deception and need to be tossed out on their arse (ass to you) 
You talk about dishonesty in the markets. They, with the cooperation of the government and their banking buddies, manipulate markets via the futures market. It is not a &quot;free&quot; market. The plunge protection (PPT) team was founded to keep high volatility out of markets but they abuse this power to the hilt also and don&#039;t seem to care who knows it.
With a PROPER government and president (not one they want) and these slimebags disposed of, you will see things as they should be and if it presents obstacles to get back to the way it was before they infested your country, then so be it. No pain = no gain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They didn&#8217;t go to the trouble of tricking president Wilson into signing what he did which includes the Jeckyl Island thing, to be Mr. Nice Guys. The are in it for themselves and look out for you if you get in their way.<br />
You can believe president Kennedy was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald if you like. You can believe in the tooth fairy also. It is pretty clear to me who did it. Google Executive Order 11110<br />
They usurped the government by deception and need to be tossed out on their arse (ass to you)<br />
You talk about dishonesty in the markets. They, with the cooperation of the government and their banking buddies, manipulate markets via the futures market. It is not a &#8220;free&#8221; market. The plunge protection (PPT) team was founded to keep high volatility out of markets but they abuse this power to the hilt also and don&#8217;t seem to care who knows it.<br />
With a PROPER government and president (not one they want) and these slimebags disposed of, you will see things as they should be and if it presents obstacles to get back to the way it was before they infested your country, then so be it. No pain = no gain.</p>
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		<title>By: Aussie</title>
		<link>http://c4ss.org/content/792/comment-page-1#comment-728</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aussie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 09:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You wouldn&#039;t happen to be one of these slimebag bankers by any chance? LOL ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You wouldn&#39;t happen to be one of these slimebag bankers by any chance? LOL </p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bindner</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What anyone who wishes to end the Fed must face is that this type of banking system is necessary as an adjunct to finance stock speculation in limited liability corporations.  In the unlikely event the Fed is abolished, something like it will be in the offing.  If you don&#039;t want the Animal Farm scenario, you must first replace speculation in Stock with something entirely different - that being employee ownership of workplaces and with it employer financing of most consumer and housing debt.

It&#039;s not just the central bank that has to go, its all of the banks and the stock exchanges to.  Unless you are willing to go that far, talking of abolishing the Fed is nonsense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What anyone who wishes to end the Fed must face is that this type of banking system is necessary as an adjunct to finance stock speculation in limited liability corporations.  In the unlikely event the Fed is abolished, something like it will be in the offing.  If you don&#8217;t want the Animal Farm scenario, you must first replace speculation in Stock with something entirely different &#8211; that being employee ownership of workplaces and with it employer financing of most consumer and housing debt.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not just the central bank that has to go, its all of the banks and the stock exchanges to.  Unless you are willing to go that far, talking of abolishing the Fed is nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Aussie</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 06:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ&#038;fe" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ&#038;fe</a>&#8230; </p>
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		<title>By: Aussie</title>
		<link>http://c4ss.org/content/792/comment-page-1#comment-705</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not my intention to hog this although it&#039;s a pity some more are not commenting on such an important topic especially if I am able to do it from Australia but I just want to pass on something to add credence to my last post and that will do me for today.
It is a from a recent article of Bob Chapman&#039;s. US financial newsletter writer.

&quot;You may not know it yet, but we are winning. The Internet, shortwave and Satellite have the elitists on the run. This is even more pronounced today than at the Bilderberger Meeting in Greece in June. Governments and central banks are under severe pressure. Just look at irate constituents at Town Hall meetings and 277 co-sponsors of Ron Paul&#039;s HR 1207, a bill to investigate and audit the Fed. Ex-treasury Secretary Paulson and Fed Chairman Bernanke were just treated to the worst grilling in the history of the House and were called crooks and criminals by Congress people. Bernanke couldn&#039;t explain where $500 billion came from and as well the disappearance of $2 trillion. When these events happened the dollar strengthened, but Bernanke only found this to be a coincidence. Congressman Grayson laughed in Bernanke&#039;s face. We had this tape in the last issue in the US section, and after we ran it, it mysteriously disappeared from C-Span. So much for a free media and open society.&quot;

Another newsletter writer who is very savvy with what is going on is Clive Maund. 
You can Google an article of his by typing in: Clive Maund. its effect on resource stocks 

It is 3 years old and the 9/11 incident he speaks of says about 30% of the population believe the government at least had a hand in it. Something like that anyway. I believe the figure is now close to 50% so that&#039;s not too bad for 3 years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not my intention to hog this although it&#8217;s a pity some more are not commenting on such an important topic especially if I am able to do it from Australia but I just want to pass on something to add credence to my last post and that will do me for today.<br />
It is a from a recent article of Bob Chapman&#8217;s. US financial newsletter writer.</p>
<p>&#8220;You may not know it yet, but we are winning. The Internet, shortwave and Satellite have the elitists on the run. This is even more pronounced today than at the Bilderberger Meeting in Greece in June. Governments and central banks are under severe pressure. Just look at irate constituents at Town Hall meetings and 277 co-sponsors of Ron Paul&#8217;s HR 1207, a bill to investigate and audit the Fed. Ex-treasury Secretary Paulson and Fed Chairman Bernanke were just treated to the worst grilling in the history of the House and were called crooks and criminals by Congress people. Bernanke couldn&#8217;t explain where $500 billion came from and as well the disappearance of $2 trillion. When these events happened the dollar strengthened, but Bernanke only found this to be a coincidence. Congressman Grayson laughed in Bernanke&#8217;s face. We had this tape in the last issue in the US section, and after we ran it, it mysteriously disappeared from C-Span. So much for a free media and open society.&#8221;</p>
<p>Another newsletter writer who is very savvy with what is going on is Clive Maund.<br />
You can Google an article of his by typing in: Clive Maund. its effect on resource stocks </p>
<p>It is 3 years old and the 9/11 incident he speaks of says about 30% of the population believe the government at least had a hand in it. Something like that anyway. I believe the figure is now close to 50% so that&#8217;s not too bad for 3 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Aussie</title>
		<link>http://c4ss.org/content/792/comment-page-1#comment-704</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I pinched this from someone else but I agree so I just cut and past it: 
 
&quot;The federal debt is a fraud that has been created virtually &quot;out of nothing&quot; by the Federal Reserve. A private banking organization that masquerades as a government agency for the purpose of further enriching the ultra rich. It does this by charging interest on credit literally created out of thin air. Sound preposterous? These claims are documented in Chapter 2 with official quotations that you can obtain yourself if you wish verification. The fact that these claims sound so utterly preposterous is what allows them to be so easily dismissed by the American populace, and what allows the Federal Reserve to continue its fraudulent control over our economy.&quot; 
 
So he is saying: The sheeple find it too difficult to believe and dismiss the claim as something preposterous so they get away with it and the sheeple suffer because of their laziness and  know-it-all but know nothing attitude. 
 
Don&#039;t be one of the sheep. Learn at least the basics of what is really going on in the world. You won&#039;t do that by looking at your mainstream media TV. It is also under the control of the &#039;Ruling Elite&#039; They seem to hold all the aces but in this day of the computer, it is not impossible to win. In fact they are getting worried especially when Bernanke cops flack and obviously lies his way out of difficult situations. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I pinched this from someone else but I agree so I just cut and past it:</p>
<p>&quot;The federal debt is a fraud that has been created virtually &quot;out of nothing&quot; by the Federal Reserve. A private banking organization that masquerades as a government agency for the purpose of further enriching the ultra rich. It does this by charging interest on credit literally created out of thin air. Sound preposterous? These claims are documented in Chapter 2 with official quotations that you can obtain yourself if you wish verification. The fact that these claims sound so utterly preposterous is what allows them to be so easily dismissed by the American populace, and what allows the Federal Reserve to continue its fraudulent control over our economy.&quot;</p>
<p>So he is saying: The sheeple find it too difficult to believe and dismiss the claim as something preposterous so they get away with it and the sheeple suffer because of their laziness and  know-it-all but know nothing attitude.</p>
<p>Don&#39;t be one of the sheep. Learn at least the basics of what is really going on in the world. You won&#39;t do that by looking at your mainstream media TV. It is also under the control of the &#39;Ruling Elite&#39; They seem to hold all the aces but in this day of the computer, it is not impossible to win. In fact they are getting worried especially when Bernanke cops flack and obviously lies his way out of difficult situations. </p>
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