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		<title>By: Michael Bindner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bindner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, unless we offer a plan to clean up the mess, the people will continue to trust the state.  The last time anarchy tried the more direct approach we traded in McKinley, who was mildly annoying, for Theodore Roosevelt - who is the architect of much of the modern state.  Trying that again would play into the hands of the state.  It is best to unwind it slowly and methodically.</description>
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		<title>By: planetaryjim</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 05:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cows do get milked, Tom, but the state actively prevents me from buying milk direct from dairy farmers in my state.  They only allow milk to be sold by farmers to the processors.  This appears to be a federal regulation, and they are very serious about it.

Now, I have more than enough room to store a cow in the back yard, but the city government actively prevents that.  Hens they don&#039;t seem to mind, but roosters really piss people off (waking them up at dawn, horrors).  And to have milch goats I need to prove a medical condition or something. lol

Bypassing the edifices of the state can be a lot of effort.  So, I continue to buy cream at the grocery store while working with the local &quot;peace and justice&quot; crowd to get the sales tax taken off food.

Anarchy is the best idea.  We have worthless rulers now.  None would be better.

We have no obligation to clean up the messes that government makes, Michael.  They can go to hell in their own hand baskets.  We don&#039;t have any obligation to replace the screwed up society that fails to work now with one that works well, though I&#039;m certainly up to the challenge.

The state is the biggest source of limited liability entities and immunity from prosecution.  It takes state collusion and monopoly privileges granted by the state (e.g., baseball cartel) to really work the wage gimmick.  Anyway, we don&#039;t need a government weather man to tell us that the wind is blowing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->The cows do get milked, Tom, but the state actively prevents me from buying milk direct from dairy farmers in my state.  They only allow milk to be sold by farmers to the processors.  This appears to be a federal regulation, and they are very serious about it.</p>
<p>Now, I have more than enough room to store a cow in the back yard, but the city government actively prevents that.  Hens they don&#8217;t seem to mind, but roosters really piss people off (waking them up at dawn, horrors).  And to have milch goats I need to prove a medical condition or something. lol</p>
<p>Bypassing the edifices of the state can be a lot of effort.  So, I continue to buy cream at the grocery store while working with the local &#8220;peace and justice&#8221; crowd to get the sales tax taken off food.</p>
<p>Anarchy is the best idea.  We have worthless rulers now.  None would be better.</p>
<p>We have no obligation to clean up the messes that government makes, Michael.  They can go to hell in their own hand baskets.  We don&#8217;t have any obligation to replace the screwed up society that fails to work now with one that works well, though I&#8217;m certainly up to the challenge.</p>
<p>The state is the biggest source of limited liability entities and immunity from prosecution.  It takes state collusion and monopoly privileges granted by the state (e.g., baseball cartel) to really work the wage gimmick.  Anyway, we don&#8217;t need a government weather man to tell us that the wind is blowing.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m always amused when people ask how we&#039;ll prevent violence in anarchist society as if the State was doing a good job of it.</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Bindner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bindner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of what you say is true - however there are different standards for living day-to-day and getting elected.

Mostly the political process works.  Palin going out to be queen social conservative, which until I find out differently seems to be code for nationwide Imperial Witch for the KKK, but even that exit is good since she seemed quite dysfunctional of late as governor - mostly because she felt that actually governing would damage her GOP street cred.  Darwin works in politics too.  (The same goes for Mark Sanford, who&#039;s problem wasn&#039;t the mistresss, but not telling his Lt. Gov he was going to see her).

California shows what happens when you have too much direct democracy - mostly anti-tax Republicans who don&#039;t want to spend any money and think government failure somehow improves life.  Dysfunctional government is not an improvement - abolition of government is.

New York is just plain weird because the sitting Governor is also the Lt. Governor.  He either needs to resign that job and hold a special election or go to the Senate chamber and grab the gavel.  

In all of the cases you cite, people refused to simply do the jobs they were being paid for.  If they would do their jobs, they wouldn&#039;t embarrass themselves or their states.

In at least 3 of these cases, the reason they aren&#039;t doing their jobs well is BECAUSE they have adopted anti-government rhetoric.  People would not be on Sanford&#039;s ass so much if he didn&#039;t make himself look stupid by pandering to the anti-government base of the GOP.  His attempt to make a name for himself in certain circles has damaged his ability to do his job.

Anarchy is fine, as long as you clean up the mess government makes before you leave and replace it with a society that works well without government priviledge (including banning the limited liability corporation and collusion among employers to depress wages).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->All of what you say is true &#8211; however there are different standards for living day-to-day and getting elected.</p>
<p>Mostly the political process works.  Palin going out to be queen social conservative, which until I find out differently seems to be code for nationwide Imperial Witch for the KKK, but even that exit is good since she seemed quite dysfunctional of late as governor &#8211; mostly because she felt that actually governing would damage her GOP street cred.  Darwin works in politics too.  (The same goes for Mark Sanford, who&#8217;s problem wasn&#8217;t the mistresss, but not telling his Lt. Gov he was going to see her).</p>
<p>California shows what happens when you have too much direct democracy &#8211; mostly anti-tax Republicans who don&#8217;t want to spend any money and think government failure somehow improves life.  Dysfunctional government is not an improvement &#8211; abolition of government is.</p>
<p>New York is just plain weird because the sitting Governor is also the Lt. Governor.  He either needs to resign that job and hold a special election or go to the Senate chamber and grab the gavel.  </p>
<p>In all of the cases you cite, people refused to simply do the jobs they were being paid for.  If they would do their jobs, they wouldn&#8217;t embarrass themselves or their states.</p>
<p>In at least 3 of these cases, the reason they aren&#8217;t doing their jobs well is BECAUSE they have adopted anti-government rhetoric.  People would not be on Sanford&#8217;s ass so much if he didn&#8217;t make himself look stupid by pandering to the anti-government base of the GOP.  His attempt to make a name for himself in certain circles has damaged his ability to do his job.</p>
<p>Anarchy is fine, as long as you clean up the mess government makes before you leave and replace it with a society that works well without government priviledge (including banning the limited liability corporation and collusion among employers to depress wages).<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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