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		<title>By: Michael Bindner</title>
		<link>http://c4ss.org/content/674/comment-page-1#comment-589</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Bindner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw last night that Mousavi and his forces are pressuring the Basiji by asking their families to make them behave and come over to their side.

If Mousavi can defang the thugs of the current regime, he may have something there.  He may be riding a tiger, although I am not sure if he is ready for the full implications of what he is doing.  Regardless, he will still develop nukes.  If he is seen as reasonable, he may be able to get away with it.  If he keeps making noises about anihilating the Zionist state, the Zionist state will likely turn his ass into radioactive dust.</description>
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<p>If Mousavi can defang the thugs of the current regime, he may have something there.  He may be riding a tiger, although I am not sure if he is ready for the full implications of what he is doing.  Regardless, he will still develop nukes.  If he is seen as reasonable, he may be able to get away with it.  If he keeps making noises about anihilating the Zionist state, the Zionist state will likely turn his ass into radioactive dust.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bindner</title>
		<link>http://c4ss.org/content/674/comment-page-1#comment-574</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Bindner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless, until the protestors start killing members of the Basij and putting their heads on pikes - or else turning out in such force that the Basij simply run away in shame - nothing will happen to overturn the Iranian regime.  Of course, if you consider the Basij to be a religious, rather than a state, organ than maybe the sham of a civil government is what needs to end.  Technically, the Supreme Leader and the Basij are religious elements rather than State elements, unless you accept that religious elements and their vigilantes are different aspects of the same tyranny (much the way the KKK were a shadow government in the South until their power was broken by aggressive enforcement of voting and civil rights laws).</description>
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		<title>By: planetaryjim</title>
		<link>http://c4ss.org/content/674/comment-page-1#comment-565</link>
		<dc:creator>planetaryjim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 15:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait, who says that Somalis can&#039;t feed themselves?  They never had any trouble with feeding themselves when I was over there.

Roving bands of armed warlords?  Do you have any idea what a warlord is?  &quot;A military commander exercising civil power in a region, whether in nominal allegiance to the national government or in defiance of it.&quot;  The president of the USA is commander in chief of the military and he exercises civil power.  He is thus a warlord. QED.  So are various members of the British royal family.  

Somalis do not have warlords, and certainly no roving bands thereof.  Somali clan elders appoint a war leader in time of crisis who leads their militia.  You might look up the use of the concept &quot;militia&quot; in your f#cking constitution.

I don&#039;t know who you heathens are to defame the Somali people.  And I certainly don&#039;t agree with arguments made by others that their traditional form of government has anything to do with anarchy.  But I will say that you seem entirely ignorant of Somali clan customary law, basic ideas like militia, and definitions of simple words like warlord.

There&#039;s no doubt that your government in the USA together with the UN, the EU, the African Union, and the Inter-Governmental Agency on Development have tried many times since 1991 to impose a central government on Somalia.  I believe their motivation is to force the Somalis to pay for the international debt obligations of the former dictator.  Because, after all, the vicious bankers on your planet lent him money so he could buy guns and ammo with which to slaughter about 30,000 civilians in Berbera in 1988.  He also borrowed money to maintain prisons and torture his own people to death.

I&#039;m sure you guys who have responded here are full of good things to say about the kindly banker in your neighborhood who works for an internationalist cartel in restraint of trade.  No doubt, you want the Somalis to pay back the debts of the dictator, with interest.  Which may take roughly forever, since foreign interventions keep Somalis in perpetual poverty.

What I will say is that the concept that the Somalis advocate is very simple.  They don&#039;t owe that money because they never consented to those borrowings.  They also did not consent to the government they overthrew.  

Of course you rat bastard Americans are going to have to think about the issue of your own national debt when the internationalist socialist banking scum come around to collect.  Depending on which debts you count, the amount to be paid back is roughly twice or thrice the annual income of the average American, on a per capita basis.

Now, it isn&#039;t my debt.  I didn&#039;t borrow any of it.  An oligarchy pretending to have the consent of some of the governed borrowed it, and as far as I&#039;m concerned the politicians and bureau-rats can all sell themselves into slavery to pay it back, or have their homes repossessed, or whatever it is they&#039;ve pledged.  I never agreed to any of it.  It is not my debt.

But the war that your governments brought to the Somalis is coming to America.  You don&#039;t have to like it.  I certainly don&#039;t.  Are you ready for it?</description>
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<p>Roving bands of armed warlords?  Do you have any idea what a warlord is?  &#8220;A military commander exercising civil power in a region, whether in nominal allegiance to the national government or in defiance of it.&#8221;  The president of the USA is commander in chief of the military and he exercises civil power.  He is thus a warlord. QED.  So are various members of the British royal family.  </p>
<p>Somalis do not have warlords, and certainly no roving bands thereof.  Somali clan elders appoint a war leader in time of crisis who leads their militia.  You might look up the use of the concept &#8220;militia&#8221; in your f#cking constitution.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know who you heathens are to defame the Somali people.  And I certainly don&#8217;t agree with arguments made by others that their traditional form of government has anything to do with anarchy.  But I will say that you seem entirely ignorant of Somali clan customary law, basic ideas like militia, and definitions of simple words like warlord.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no doubt that your government in the USA together with the UN, the EU, the African Union, and the Inter-Governmental Agency on Development have tried many times since 1991 to impose a central government on Somalia.  I believe their motivation is to force the Somalis to pay for the international debt obligations of the former dictator.  Because, after all, the vicious bankers on your planet lent him money so he could buy guns and ammo with which to slaughter about 30,000 civilians in Berbera in 1988.  He also borrowed money to maintain prisons and torture his own people to death.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you guys who have responded here are full of good things to say about the kindly banker in your neighborhood who works for an internationalist cartel in restraint of trade.  No doubt, you want the Somalis to pay back the debts of the dictator, with interest.  Which may take roughly forever, since foreign interventions keep Somalis in perpetual poverty.</p>
<p>What I will say is that the concept that the Somalis advocate is very simple.  They don&#8217;t owe that money because they never consented to those borrowings.  They also did not consent to the government they overthrew.  </p>
<p>Of course you rat bastard Americans are going to have to think about the issue of your own national debt when the internationalist socialist banking scum come around to collect.  Depending on which debts you count, the amount to be paid back is roughly twice or thrice the annual income of the average American, on a per capita basis.</p>
<p>Now, it isn&#8217;t my debt.  I didn&#8217;t borrow any of it.  An oligarchy pretending to have the consent of some of the governed borrowed it, and as far as I&#8217;m concerned the politicians and bureau-rats can all sell themselves into slavery to pay it back, or have their homes repossessed, or whatever it is they&#8217;ve pledged.  I never agreed to any of it.  It is not my debt.</p>
<p>But the war that your governments brought to the Somalis is coming to America.  You don&#8217;t have to like it.  I certainly don&#8217;t.  Are you ready for it?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: tjjanj</title>
		<link>http://c4ss.org/content/674/comment-page-1#comment-549</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you think that maybe if the roving bands of armed warlords stopped imposing their own special kind of tyranny on villages and farms that maybe the Somalis could do a better job in agriculture?</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Bindner</title>
		<link>http://c4ss.org/content/674/comment-page-1#comment-547</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Bindner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somalia can&#039;t feed itself.  There are arguments for revoking the power of the state - but Somalia is not a good example of them.

I agree with your analysis of Iran.  Unless the leaders of this uprising come to the point of wanting the whole regime gone, the revolt is only &quot;freedom kindergarten.&quot;  When I see stories of Revolutionary Guardsmen being beaten or their bodies left for dead at their HQ, I will believe real change will come to Iran.  

You are also correct about the neocons.  They are so far out of power, however, all they can do is color commentary.  Elections matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Somalia can&#8217;t feed itself.  There are arguments for revoking the power of the state &#8211; but Somalia is not a good example of them.</p>
<p>I agree with your analysis of Iran.  Unless the leaders of this uprising come to the point of wanting the whole regime gone, the revolt is only &#8220;freedom kindergarten.&#8221;  When I see stories of Revolutionary Guardsmen being beaten or their bodies left for dead at their HQ, I will believe real change will come to Iran.  </p>
<p>You are also correct about the neocons.  They are so far out of power, however, all they can do is color commentary.  Elections matter.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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