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		<title>By: LittleAlex</title>
		<link>http://c4ss.org/content/637/comment-page-1#comment-531</link>
		<dc:creator>LittleAlex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 07:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Michael Binder&#039;s comment, but I can&#039;t fully say I say &#039;yes&#039; or &#039;no&#039; to Mr. Knapp. My response to the article would be: &quot;not yet.&quot; Were the current global conditions to exist, say in 2015, and the president to make this speech -- with the truly natural progression of the internet -- I&#039;d say that this article is spot on, but not now.

The speech was full of Newspeak -- to an exponentially better-informed population -- but cleverly crafted to adapt to this population. Unless I misunderstand Mr. Knapp, this article assumes that the speech didn&#039;t meet it&#039;s primary objective. That assumption is a large leap. With tonuge-in-cheek, co-founder of &quot;The Electronic Intifada&quot; Ali Abunimah responded that: &quot;[Obama&#039;s Cairo Speech] will please American liberals much more than it will convince intended audience (unless that is the audience).&quot; The American so-called &quot;liberals&quot; were the intended audience for this script and they&#039;re convinced. See the NYT, HuffPo, DKos, MSNBC, etc. Yes, the internet has a large role, but the gatekeepers were convinced.

Strategically speaking, the libertarian is best doing what libertarians do best -- dissecting others to display their hypocrisy, in order to discover and display the hypocrites true objective: the hypocrite&#039;s exploitation of those whose consent is required for the hypocrite&#039;s position of authority (for that hypocrite to be relevant, in any way.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I agree with Michael Binder&#8217;s comment, but I can&#8217;t fully say I say &#8216;yes&#8217; or &#8216;no&#8217; to Mr. Knapp. My response to the article would be: &#8220;not yet.&#8221; Were the current global conditions to exist, say in 2015, and the president to make this speech &#8212; with the truly natural progression of the internet &#8212; I&#8217;d say that this article is spot on, but not now.</p>
<p>The speech was full of Newspeak &#8212; to an exponentially better-informed population &#8212; but cleverly crafted to adapt to this population. Unless I misunderstand Mr. Knapp, this article assumes that the speech didn&#8217;t meet it&#8217;s primary objective. That assumption is a large leap. With tonuge-in-cheek, co-founder of &#8220;The Electronic Intifada&#8221; Ali Abunimah responded that: &#8220;[Obama's Cairo Speech] will please American liberals much more than it will convince intended audience (unless that is the audience).&#8221; The American so-called &#8220;liberals&#8221; were the intended audience for this script and they&#8217;re convinced. See the NYT, HuffPo, DKos, MSNBC, etc. Yes, the internet has a large role, but the gatekeepers were convinced.</p>
<p>Strategically speaking, the libertarian is best doing what libertarians do best &#8212; dissecting others to display their hypocrisy, in order to discover and display the hypocrites true objective: the hypocrite&#8217;s exploitation of those whose consent is required for the hypocrite&#8217;s position of authority (for that hypocrite to be relevant, in any way.)<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Alex Peak</title>
		<link>http://c4ss.org/content/637/comment-page-1#comment-530</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Peak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 06:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Knapp writes, &quot;In Cairo, President Obama purported to speak, on behalf of 300 million Americans, to 1.3 billion Muslims. While some might characterize this as chutzpah, it sounds more like hubris to me.&quot;

Hubris, indeed.  To use a Spoonerian line of argument:

(1) The president is incapable of speaking for all Americans because not all Americans are allowed to vote.  Anyone under eighteen is barred from the voting.

(2) The president is incapable of speaking for all Americans who are legally able to vote because not all Americans do.

(3) The president is incapable of speaking for all Americans who voted because not all of them voted for him.

And, most importantly, (4) the president is incapable of even speaking for all Americans who voted for him because (A) they do so secretly, by secret ballot; because (B) their purpose for voting for him is completely unknown to him, and he may have received those votes not out of support but as a result of the voters wishing to defend themselves from his opponent; because (C) it&#039;s not necessarily true that they supported all of his objectives at the time of the election; and because (D) even if they did support all of his objectives at the time of the election, there is no reason to believe they continued to do so the day after.

To believe that the president &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; speak for the people of her or his country is quite collectivist.  It&#039;s unfortunate that both the U.S. President and Osama bin Laden share this collectivist outlook.  If one reads bin Laden&#039;s speeches, one sees clearly that he believes the U.S. government &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; represent the U.S. people, and he uses this as his justification for murdering innocent U.S. citizens.  What bin Laden and the U.S. politicians must learn is that the U.S. government does not and &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt;not represent the U.S. people.

Regards,
Alex Peak</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Mr. Knapp writes, &#8220;In Cairo, President Obama purported to speak, on behalf of 300 million Americans, to 1.3 billion Muslims. While some might characterize this as chutzpah, it sounds more like hubris to me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hubris, indeed.  To use a Spoonerian line of argument:</p>
<p>(1) The president is incapable of speaking for all Americans because not all Americans are allowed to vote.  Anyone under eighteen is barred from the voting.</p>
<p>(2) The president is incapable of speaking for all Americans who are legally able to vote because not all Americans do.</p>
<p>(3) The president is incapable of speaking for all Americans who voted because not all of them voted for him.</p>
<p>And, most importantly, (4) the president is incapable of even speaking for all Americans who voted for him because (A) they do so secretly, by secret ballot; because (B) their purpose for voting for him is completely unknown to him, and he may have received those votes not out of support but as a result of the voters wishing to defend themselves from his opponent; because (C) it&#8217;s not necessarily true that they supported all of his objectives at the time of the election; and because (D) even if they did support all of his objectives at the time of the election, there is no reason to believe they continued to do so the day after.</p>
<p>To believe that the president <i>can</i> speak for the people of her or his country is quite collectivist.  It&#8217;s unfortunate that both the U.S. President and Osama bin Laden share this collectivist outlook.  If one reads bin Laden&#8217;s speeches, one sees clearly that he believes the U.S. government <i>does</i> represent the U.S. people, and he uses this as his justification for murdering innocent U.S. citizens.  What bin Laden and the U.S. politicians must learn is that the U.S. government does not and <i>can</i>not represent the U.S. people.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Alex Peak<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bindner</title>
		<link>http://c4ss.org/content/637/comment-page-1#comment-526</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Bindner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You under estimate the value of celebrity.  If Obama is more popular than bin Laden on the Arab Street and the speech demonstrates this, it was an effort well spent.</description>
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