Comments on: Why Anarchists Should Hurrah the Recession http://c4ss.org/content/1434 building awareness of the market anarchist alternative Sat, 13 Mar 2010 20:13:28 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Amendall http://c4ss.org/content/1434/comment-page-1#comment-1260 Amendall Sun, 03 Jan 2010 23:39:35 +0000 http://c4ss.org/?p=1434#comment-1260 Prosperous people don't rebel. As long as the system was providing the illusion of prosperity, there was very little reason to expect much change. Now that the system is failing, there will be many opportunities to establish new ways of doing things. Prosperous people don’t rebel. As long as the system was providing the illusion of prosperity, there was very little reason to expect much change. Now that the system is failing, there will be many opportunities to establish new ways of doing things.

]]> By: glennd1 http://c4ss.org/content/1434/comment-page-1#comment-1256 glennd1 Sat, 02 Jan 2010 03:20:03 +0000 http://c4ss.org/?p=1434#comment-1256 I've recently been trying to make a similar point. Given our current economic system, recessions are necessary. It's the only way the free market can shake off the loose money and other economic distortions the statists unleash on us. Check out my post on the topic here http://libertariancomment.com/whats-a-recession-good-for/ I’ve recently been trying to make a similar point. Given our current economic system, recessions are necessary. It’s the only way the free market can shake off the loose money and other economic distortions the statists unleash on us. Check out my post on the topic here http://libertariancomment.com/whats-a-recession-good-for/

]]> By: Geoffrey Transom http://c4ss.org/content/1434/comment-page-1#comment-1067 Geoffrey Transom Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:31:10 +0000 http://c4ss.org/?p=1434#comment-1067 It's also interesting to note that with the recession-induced budgetary problems, comes significant issues in funding of the State's drone-squads. The fact that Salinas (CA) has decided to take a counter-insurgency approach to its gang problem (i.e., the suppression of violence-dispensing agencies that compete with the State) is evidence of this: the next stop is troops in the streets ("we don't need no steenkin' Posse Comitatus... or none of your other French stuff"). The other thing that shows how desperately short the tax-eaters are becoming, is the clampdown on tax shelters and havens - the US government is even willing to force the Swiss to hand over details of numbered account holders (although obviously the Ferengi will not have their accounts disclosed). It is profoundly to be wished that the disgorgement from the CRU (East Anglia) of a volume of climate lies and data manipulations, will further erode public trust in the pronouncements of the tax-eating class; we must do everything possible to make folks aware that the problem is not due to corrupt or bad science, but corrupt politics (a tautology) that then suborns science. We are within a generation of sloughing off the parasitic subspecies that attached itself to humanity when humans settled and developed the means to produce a surplus. If that sloughing off can be achieved without violence, well and good - but consider the nature of the beast: do you think that homo cheneyensis will 'go quietly into that good night'? Do you think that the Rices, Wolfowitzes, Perles, Blairs, McChrystals, Bernankes, Geithners, Rudds and Howards will negotiate away the only means they have to earning a wage higher than the average? Be realistic: in all likelihooed we will have to cull the parasites to whatever extent is necessary to chasten the rest: make the cost of parasitism much higher than it is now. (And let's not go too far with the invocation of "din rodef": the wives and children of tax-eaters should be spared wherever possible: in that regard is disagree with Rabbis Shapira and Elitzur of "Torat ha-Melekh" fame). Cheerio GT http://www.marketmentat.com/marketrant It’s also interesting to note that with the recession-induced budgetary problems, comes significant issues in funding of the State’s drone-squads.

The fact that Salinas (CA) has decided to take a counter-insurgency approach to its gang problem (i.e., the suppression of violence-dispensing agencies that compete with the State) is evidence of this: the next stop is troops in the streets (”we don’t need no steenkin’ Posse Comitatus… or none of your other French stuff”).

The other thing that shows how desperately short the tax-eaters are becoming, is the clampdown on tax shelters and havens – the US government is even willing to force the Swiss to hand over details of numbered account holders (although obviously the Ferengi will not have their accounts disclosed).

It is profoundly to be wished that the disgorgement from the CRU (East Anglia) of a volume of climate lies and data manipulations, will further erode public trust in the pronouncements of the tax-eating class; we must do everything possible to make folks aware that the problem is not due to corrupt or bad science, but corrupt politics (a tautology) that then suborns science.

We are within a generation of sloughing off the parasitic subspecies that attached itself to humanity when humans settled and developed the means to produce a surplus. If that sloughing off can be achieved without violence, well and good – but consider the nature of the beast: do you think that homo cheneyensis will ‘go quietly into that good night’? Do you think that the Rices, Wolfowitzes, Perles, Blairs, McChrystals, Bernankes, Geithners, Rudds and Howards will negotiate away the only means they have to earning a wage higher than the average?

Be realistic: in all likelihooed we will have to cull the parasites to whatever extent is necessary to chasten the rest: make the cost of parasitism much higher than it is now.

(And let’s not go too far with the invocation of “din rodef”: the wives and children of tax-eaters should be spared wherever possible: in that regard is disagree with Rabbis Shapira and Elitzur of “Torat ha-Melekh” fame).

Cheerio

GT
http://www.marketmentat.com/marketrant

]]> By: mac http://c4ss.org/content/1434/comment-page-1#comment-1060 mac Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:14:26 +0000 http://c4ss.org/?p=1434#comment-1060 Alex, I found your article most interesting and even with all the "alleged political efforts" of the past to "limit the size of gov't" down, nothing has in fact worked towards those ends. It therefore seemed evident to me that the only way for us to see a shedding of the State was for the State to begin an implosion process of some economic scale. That I do believe is happening and then right after seeing your comments, the big news story in Atlanta is a possible cut of $53 mil from the courthouse budget that according to some would cause the court house to shutdown. http://www.wsbtv.com/money/21662912/detail.html Now I don't believe they will shutdown the courthouse as the judicial/police complex is the means by which the State convinces the masses of it's need and purpose ie public safety but in order to keep the myth alive, the State (City of Atlanta in this case) will have to shift revenue from other areas which could mean say for example, less code enforcement officers out prowling around. Maybe more people can operate unlicensed businesses and these "off the book" operations grow and gain the trust of local communities in which they operate. Maybe others see the non-state community growing and decide themselves to dip a toe in the water as in some off books Part time self employment while still remaining plugged into the Matrix so to speak via their regular job. As the economics worsen, more job loss but then some people in small scale will begin to barter and trade just to get by. Brad and Chris have a point in that people are gonna be hurt as this thing worses and my biggest fear is that as it all becomes inevitable of imploding, the power players will use imperial parrots (MSM TV & Radio) to frighten the masses into vast draconian measures to save the crumbling empire under the illusion of the goodness to the common folk. It will be vital for those of us who seek liberty and freedom beyond the State to be plugged in locally amongst friends and neighbors to offer options and calm voices as the schitt storm worsens to borrow from negator. I'm coming more and more to believe after having found this website, reading opinions given (like this one) and going to other suggested and linked sites, that sites like C4SS and others are vital in information and idea sharing going forward. Thanks Alex, Thanks Brad, Thanks to all! mac Alex,

I found your article most interesting and even with all the “alleged political efforts” of the past to “limit the size of gov’t” down, nothing has in fact worked towards those ends. It therefore seemed evident to me that the only way for us to see a shedding of the State was for the State to begin an implosion process of some economic scale. That I do believe is happening and then right after seeing your comments, the big news story in Atlanta is a possible cut of $53 mil from the courthouse budget that according to some would cause the court house to shutdown.
http://www.wsbtv.com/money/21662912/detail.html

Now I don’t believe they will shutdown the courthouse as the judicial/police complex is the means by which the State convinces the masses of it’s need and purpose ie public safety but in order to keep the myth alive, the State (City of Atlanta in this case) will have to shift revenue from other areas which could mean say for example, less code enforcement officers out prowling around. Maybe more people can operate unlicensed businesses and these “off the book” operations grow and gain the trust of local communities in which they operate. Maybe others see the non-state community growing and decide themselves to dip a toe in the water as in some off books Part time self employment while still remaining plugged into the Matrix so to speak via their regular job. As the economics worsen, more job loss but then some people in small scale will begin to barter and trade just to get by.

Brad and Chris have a point in that people are gonna be hurt as this thing worses and my biggest fear is that as it all becomes inevitable of imploding, the power players will use imperial parrots (MSM TV & Radio) to frighten the masses into vast draconian measures to save the crumbling empire under the illusion of the goodness to the common folk. It will be vital for those of us who seek liberty and freedom beyond the State to be plugged in locally amongst friends and neighbors to offer options and calm voices as the schitt storm worsens to borrow from negator.

I’m coming more and more to believe after having found this website, reading opinions given (like this one) and going to other suggested and linked sites, that sites like C4SS and others are vital in information and idea sharing going forward.

Thanks Alex, Thanks Brad, Thanks to all!

mac

]]> By: Alex R. Knight III http://c4ss.org/content/1434/comment-page-1#comment-1056 Alex R. Knight III Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:29:25 +0000 http://c4ss.org/?p=1434#comment-1056 Hi Brad: I agree it is worthy of ongoing debate. Note however that I'm not cheering on the unemployed in the private sector, nor even the well-meaning but misguided. Just the violent bureau-rats who now must find productive work or go hungry and broke. The pols will never, ever voluntarily downsize government. A "crisis" like this, coupled with our outreach and education efforts, can be extremely productive long-term. And it looks like this thing is going to be long-term, like it or no. Let's make the best possible use of it. Anarchy Now!!! Hi Brad: I agree it is worthy of ongoing debate. Note however that I’m not cheering on the unemployed in the private sector, nor even the well-meaning but misguided. Just the violent
bureau-rats who now must find productive work or go hungry and broke. The pols will never, ever voluntarily downsize government. A “crisis” like this, coupled with our outreach and education efforts, can be extremely productive long-term. And it looks like this thing is going to be long-term, like it or no. Let’s make the best possible use of it. Anarchy Now!!!

]]> By: Brad Spangler http://c4ss.org/content/1434/comment-page-1#comment-1055 Brad Spangler Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:05:52 +0000 http://c4ss.org/?p=1434#comment-1055 @Alex -- It's a conversation worth having on an ongoing basis. You're not completely wrong in my view. I just think a bright line has to be drawn that we're not cheering bad policy. We don't control the state. Those who do control it, rather than us, bear responsibility for its actions. The culture of tyranny is a culture of death. We can point to its self-destructive tendencies and celebrate the opportunities that offers, but we have to lay blame for the misery the State brings where it belongs and make it clear we don't like that. @Alex — It’s a conversation worth having on an ongoing basis. You’re not completely wrong in my view. I just think a bright line has to be drawn that we’re not cheering bad policy. We don’t control the state. Those who do control it, rather than us, bear responsibility for its actions. The culture of tyranny is a culture of death. We can point to its self-destructive tendencies and celebrate the opportunities that offers, but we have to lay blame for the misery the State brings where it belongs and make it clear we don’t like that.

]]> By: Alex R. Knight III http://c4ss.org/content/1434/comment-page-1#comment-1053 Alex R. Knight III Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:10:49 +0000 http://c4ss.org/?p=1434#comment-1053 Thanks Negator. Folks, with all respect towards your view, we are engaged in hardcore guerilla warfare here, and the stakes couldn't be higher. Sure, the Fed can roll their printing presses, but note how as we speak Obama is kissing Chinese butt. If they start a run on U.S. Treasury certificates, it's endgame, and the bankers know it. They can't rely on paper & ink forever. Meantime, let's do all we can to starve the hounds, and make starvation a permanent problem for them. Vladimir Lenin, in spite of his absurd philosophy, said it best: "The worse it gets, the better it gets." I couldn't agree more. 'Nuff said. Anarchy full steam ahead!!! Thanks Negator. Folks, with all respect towards your view, we are engaged in hardcore guerilla warfare here, and the stakes couldn’t be higher. Sure, the Fed can roll their printing presses, but note how as we speak Obama is kissing Chinese butt. If they start a run on U.S. Treasury certificates, it’s endgame, and the bankers know it. They can’t rely on paper & ink forever. Meantime, let’s do all we can to starve the hounds, and make starvation a permanent problem for them. Vladimir Lenin, in spite of his absurd philosophy, said it best: “The worse it gets, the better it gets.” I couldn’t agree more. ‘Nuff said. Anarchy full steam ahead!!!

]]> By: negator http://c4ss.org/content/1434/comment-page-1#comment-1050 negator Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:17:21 +0000 http://c4ss.org/?p=1434#comment-1050 this whole shite-storm is the best shot at liberty we'll have in our lifetime. of course people will suffer. it was and is inevitable, and one could argue that suffering at the tasers and manacles of a bloated and "healthy" state is much worse. why do newborns cry? it's either "this", revolution, or status quo. this whole shite-storm is the best shot at liberty we’ll have in our lifetime. of course people will suffer. it was and is inevitable, and one could argue that suffering at the tasers and manacles of a bloated and “healthy” state is much worse.

why do newborns cry?

it’s either “this”, revolution, or status quo.

]]> By: Chris George http://c4ss.org/content/1434/comment-page-1#comment-1049 Chris George Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:55:25 +0000 http://c4ss.org/?p=1434#comment-1049 I agree with Brad. Just because some localities are shrinking doesn't mean we are better off. The recession means people will needlessly be suffering. And even though local governments are cutting back doesn't mean the Feds are and, as far as any anarchist should be concerned, they are much worse. They do have the printing press after all. I agree with Brad. Just because some localities are shrinking doesn’t mean we are better off. The recession means people will needlessly be suffering. And even though local governments are cutting back doesn’t mean the Feds are and, as far as any anarchist should be concerned, they are much worse. They do have the printing press after all.

]]> By: Brad Spangler http://c4ss.org/content/1434/comment-page-1#comment-1048 Brad Spangler Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:25:31 +0000 http://c4ss.org/?p=1434#comment-1048 I disagree in the sense that just because it offers an opportunity doesn't mean it's categorically "a good thing". People will suffer because of this recession the state has caused. There's no getting around that. I disagree in the sense that just because it offers an opportunity doesn’t mean it’s categorically “a good thing”. People will suffer because of this recession the state has caused. There’s no getting around that.

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