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		<title>Comment on A Note on Magic Words and Secret Formulas by TerryHulsey</title>
		<link>http://c4ss.org/content/2016/comment-page-1#comment-1622</link>
		<dc:creator>TerryHulsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It makes one nostalgic for that bygone magic word (and lost countervailing power) &quot;Stop! In the name of the Queen!&quot;:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYLRAUiZ_Ms</description>
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		<title>Comment on Thomas Sowell:  Them Pore Ole Bosses Need All the Help They Can Get by Sheldon Richman</title>
		<link>http://c4ss.org/content/2011/comment-page-1#comment-1621</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheldon Richman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mean to say in my comment above that there are critics of wealth who wouldn&#039;t care if the money had been earned legitimately. They are oblivious to the distinction that we think is to so important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I mean to say in my comment above that there are critics of wealth who wouldn&#8217;t care if the money had been earned legitimately. They are oblivious to the distinction that we think is to so important.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>Comment on Thomas Sowell:  Them Pore Ole Bosses Need All the Help They Can Get by Sheldon Richman</title>
		<link>http://c4ss.org/content/2011/comment-page-1#comment-1620</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheldon Richman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unaccustomed as we are to seeing free-market criticism of Sowell, I like the article. It takes only a few words (as I am discovering) to note the context, i.e., to say that one is talking about wealth legitimately earned in a free market, rather than what goes on on frequently in a corporatist economy. It&#039;s not difficult to do this, that is, if the issue is on the writer&#039;s mind. For many free-market advocates, it is not.

The only suggestion I&#039;d make refers to the example about Microsoft versus OpenOffice. There&#039;s at least enough freedom for us to be able to obtain a decent alternative to Word at no cost. Corporatism isn&#039;t invincible. We should emphasize that too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Unaccustomed as we are to seeing free-market criticism of Sowell, I like the article. It takes only a few words (as I am discovering) to note the context, i.e., to say that one is talking about wealth legitimately earned in a free market, rather than what goes on on frequently in a corporatist economy. It&#8217;s not difficult to do this, that is, if the issue is on the writer&#8217;s mind. For many free-market advocates, it is not.</p>
<p>The only suggestion I&#8217;d make refers to the example about Microsoft versus OpenOffice. There&#8217;s at least enough freedom for us to be able to obtain a decent alternative to Word at no cost. Corporatism isn&#8217;t invincible. We should emphasize that too.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>Comment on Thomas Sowell:  Them Pore Ole Bosses Need All the Help They Can Get by Kevin Carson</title>
		<link>http://c4ss.org/content/2011/comment-page-1#comment-1619</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Carson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Roderick.  

Chris and Joel, the reason Sowell&#039;s column rubbed me the wrong way is that his defense of wealth and profits is so devoid of context as to be utterly misleading.  If Sowell agrees we live in an economy dominated by welfare for the rich, where most large concentrations of wealth and most large profits result from state intervention, then why the knee-jerk defensive reaction in defense of wealth and profits against those who attack them?  Regardless of whether he&#039;s acknowledged corporate welfare and socialism for the rich elsewhere, the entire framing of this column implies that he&#039;s defending existing wealth and profits as the natural outcome of a free market, against those who would use the state to suppress them.  

Well, hey, I&#039;d also oppose a state agenda to suppress large concentrations of wealth and profit that were obtained entirely through a genuinely free market.  In fact, it&#039;s right there on my list with all the other things I plan to do when hell freezes over.  In the meantime, though, in the world I actually live in the government&#039;s main function is to help rich people steal from me.  So I get more than a little Emily Latella vibe from Sowell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Thanks, Roderick.  </p>
<p>Chris and Joel, the reason Sowell&#8217;s column rubbed me the wrong way is that his defense of wealth and profits is so devoid of context as to be utterly misleading.  If Sowell agrees we live in an economy dominated by welfare for the rich, where most large concentrations of wealth and most large profits result from state intervention, then why the knee-jerk defensive reaction in defense of wealth and profits against those who attack them?  Regardless of whether he&#8217;s acknowledged corporate welfare and socialism for the rich elsewhere, the entire framing of this column implies that he&#8217;s defending existing wealth and profits as the natural outcome of a free market, against those who would use the state to suppress them.  </p>
<p>Well, hey, I&#8217;d also oppose a state agenda to suppress large concentrations of wealth and profit that were obtained entirely through a genuinely free market.  In fact, it&#8217;s right there on my list with all the other things I plan to do when hell freezes over.  In the meantime, though, in the world I actually live in the government&#8217;s main function is to help rich people steal from me.  So I get more than a little Emily Latella vibe from Sowell.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>Comment on Thomas Sowell:  Them Pore Ole Bosses Need All the Help They Can Get by Joel Schlosberg</title>
		<link>http://c4ss.org/content/2011/comment-page-1#comment-1618</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Schlosberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris George, the reason the article doesn&#039;t link to the column is because C4SS commentaries in general are usually written without links so they can be reprinted in print.

And yes, I agree with Chris that this comes off as too harsh on Sowell; I don&#039;t see anything in his op-ed that&#039;s inconsistent with the fact of business-government alliance, or the rest of the stuff that Kevin points out; the thing about the conservative talking points about anti-rich sentiment made in articles like that is that they aren&#039;t specifically wrong, although they aren&#039;t the whole story.  And to his credit Sowell has discussed in some detail how government intervention is often &quot;socialism for the rich&quot; in a column by that name; he even goes as far as saying that statism is worse overall for the poor than the rich:
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell010036.php3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Chris George, the reason the article doesn&#8217;t link to the column is because C4SS commentaries in general are usually written without links so they can be reprinted in print.</p>
<p>And yes, I agree with Chris that this comes off as too harsh on Sowell; I don&#8217;t see anything in his op-ed that&#8217;s inconsistent with the fact of business-government alliance, or the rest of the stuff that Kevin points out; the thing about the conservative talking points about anti-rich sentiment made in articles like that is that they aren&#8217;t specifically wrong, although they aren&#8217;t the whole story.  And to his credit Sowell has discussed in some detail how government intervention is often &#8220;socialism for the rich&#8221; in a column by that name; he even goes as far as saying that statism is worse overall for the poor than the rich:<br />
<a href="http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell010036.php3" rel="nofollow">http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell010036.php3</a><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>Comment on Thomas Sowell:  Them Pore Ole Bosses Need All the Help They Can Get by Roderick Long</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roderick Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I reckon it&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/Thomas-Sowell-Politicians-want-to-buy-our-freedom-cheap-84581572.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this one&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I reckon it&#8217;s <a href="http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/Thomas-Sowell-Politicians-want-to-buy-our-freedom-cheap-84581572.html" rel="nofollow">this one</a>.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>Comment on A Note on Magic Words and Secret Formulas by Alex R. Knight III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex R. Knight III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great pieces both Tom and Jim.  Just my two cents on the DRug War, look how in 1919 the Pols thought they needed a constitutional amendment to ban liquor -- and then another one in 1933 to repeal the ban.  In a mad dash to save the former liquor agents&#039; jobs, however, in 1937, they wordlessly eschewed that amendment process -- and the Drug War&#039;s been going on ever since.  Hell, now Congress doesn&#039;t even both to declare war, they just give the Executive a rubber stamp.  Needless to say, it ALL HAS TO GO, PERIOD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Great pieces both Tom and Jim.  Just my two cents on the DRug War, look how in 1919 the Pols thought they needed a constitutional amendment to ban liquor &#8212; and then another one in 1933 to repeal the ban.  In a mad dash to save the former liquor agents&#8217; jobs, however, in 1937, they wordlessly eschewed that amendment process &#8212; and the Drug War&#8217;s been going on ever since.  Hell, now Congress doesn&#8217;t even both to declare war, they just give the Executive a rubber stamp.  Needless to say, it ALL HAS TO GO, PERIOD.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>Comment on Thomas Sowell:  Them Pore Ole Bosses Need All the Help They Can Get by Chris George</title>
		<link>http://c4ss.org/content/2011/comment-page-1#comment-1615</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree with the content of what you write, this comes off a little like a personal attack against Sowell. Sowell, Friedman, Williams, Hayek and Mises and even many of the AnCaps regularly neglect the harm caused by &quot;private&quot; business. That doesn&#039;t really mean it isn&#039;t implied or that they intended to neglect it. It&#039;s a pro-business bias, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s fair to personalize the issue or treat it like it&#039;s intentional shilling. Can you provide me with a link to Sowell&#039;s article that inspired this post so I can judge its vulgarity for myself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->While I agree with the content of what you write, this comes off a little like a personal attack against Sowell. Sowell, Friedman, Williams, Hayek and Mises and even many of the AnCaps regularly neglect the harm caused by &#8220;private&#8221; business. That doesn&#8217;t really mean it isn&#8217;t implied or that they intended to neglect it. It&#8217;s a pro-business bias, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s fair to personalize the issue or treat it like it&#8217;s intentional shilling. Can you provide me with a link to Sowell&#8217;s article that inspired this post so I can judge its vulgarity for myself?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>Comment on A Note on Magic Words and Secret Formulas by JimDavidson</title>
		<link>http://c4ss.org/content/2016/comment-page-1#comment-1614</link>
		<dc:creator>JimDavidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most amusing of these that I&#039;ve seen recently is &quot;de jure postal service.&quot;  Apparently some clowns think they can mail a letter for two cents if they use the &quot;de jure postal service&quot; instead of the corporation USPS.  Heh.  Something tells me a lot of &quot;postage due&quot; letters are showing up.  

There is a constitutional provision for treaties, and there were treaties relating to trafficking in narcotics which were signed and ratified by the Senate in the 1920s.  You could look these up.  The focus of these treaties and the laws to enforce them was the essentially racist Progressive Era doctrine that blacks, Asians, Mexicans, etc. must be forced to work, else they would smoke pot, or opium, or chew peyote, or what have you.  Like many of the other problems inherent in the state, such as gun control, marriage apartheid, the drug laws result from a period when racism was ascendant.  Saying that the government&#039;s laws are unconstitutional is interesting, but kind of a labyrinth for the mind.

It is because there is no magical formula to free yourself from government control - no set of hoops they give you that you can (or should) jump through, that makes being a sovereign individual very easy.  All you have to do is declare yourself free.  As Etienne de la Boetie noted almost 500 years ago, you can relieve yourself from burdens that the beasts themselves would not bear, simply by declaring yourself free.  Withdraw your support from the system, and encourage your friends and neighbours to do likewise, and you&#039;ll see it falter and sway.

For the system depends on people to impose the tyrannical requirements of the system.  It is not the president&#039;s fists that beat up suspects, it is not his eyes that spy on everyone, it is not his ears listening in to every phone call simultaneously.  Without taxes, soldiers, tax collectors, thugs, spies, pigs, bullies, the system wouldn&#039;t work.  

Meanwhile, no matter what you declare, no matter what you believe, the system exists and is in everyone&#039;s faces all the time.  So it would be well to get off the grid as much as possible.  Agorism has a Taoist component to it, of reducing what you desire so it is easier to get those things without being a part of the system and contributing to your own oppression.

The relationship between the governed and the government is war.  The war on drugs and the war on terror are the explicit declarations of war by the government on the American people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->The most amusing of these that I&#8217;ve seen recently is &#8220;de jure postal service.&#8221;  Apparently some clowns think they can mail a letter for two cents if they use the &#8220;de jure postal service&#8221; instead of the corporation USPS.  Heh.  Something tells me a lot of &#8220;postage due&#8221; letters are showing up.  </p>
<p>There is a constitutional provision for treaties, and there were treaties relating to trafficking in narcotics which were signed and ratified by the Senate in the 1920s.  You could look these up.  The focus of these treaties and the laws to enforce them was the essentially racist Progressive Era doctrine that blacks, Asians, Mexicans, etc. must be forced to work, else they would smoke pot, or opium, or chew peyote, or what have you.  Like many of the other problems inherent in the state, such as gun control, marriage apartheid, the drug laws result from a period when racism was ascendant.  Saying that the government&#8217;s laws are unconstitutional is interesting, but kind of a labyrinth for the mind.</p>
<p>It is because there is no magical formula to free yourself from government control &#8211; no set of hoops they give you that you can (or should) jump through, that makes being a sovereign individual very easy.  All you have to do is declare yourself free.  As Etienne de la Boetie noted almost 500 years ago, you can relieve yourself from burdens that the beasts themselves would not bear, simply by declaring yourself free.  Withdraw your support from the system, and encourage your friends and neighbours to do likewise, and you&#8217;ll see it falter and sway.</p>
<p>For the system depends on people to impose the tyrannical requirements of the system.  It is not the president&#8217;s fists that beat up suspects, it is not his eyes that spy on everyone, it is not his ears listening in to every phone call simultaneously.  Without taxes, soldiers, tax collectors, thugs, spies, pigs, bullies, the system wouldn&#8217;t work.  </p>
<p>Meanwhile, no matter what you declare, no matter what you believe, the system exists and is in everyone&#8217;s faces all the time.  So it would be well to get off the grid as much as possible.  Agorism has a Taoist component to it, of reducing what you desire so it is easier to get those things without being a part of the system and contributing to your own oppression.</p>
<p>The relationship between the governed and the government is war.  The war on drugs and the war on terror are the explicit declarations of war by the government on the American people.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>Comment on Count, Dracula by anonion</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An active, non violent way to protest the census without exposing yourself to fines and punishment for not filling out the census would be to send in more than one form. The 2010 Census Form can be downloaded in *.pdf format here:

http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&amp;source=web&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=9&amp;ved=0CC8QFjAI&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.census.gov%2Fschools%2Fpdf%2F2010form_info.pdf&amp;rct=j&amp;q=2010+US+Census+Form&amp;ei=wc6WS92FOdXp8Qbz7ewR&amp;usg=AFQjCNF89owwZ3Rwdi18cMEikQJulJmGSQ

I&#039;m sure a half an hour in photoshop can remove the &quot;informational copy&quot; across the front. Then, use your printer to churn out copies of the form along with copies of the return envelope. You&#039;ll have to pay attention to what kind of paper is used; and probably ink too, so that their machines won&#039;t reject them.

Someone make a wiki! This could be like a DDOS attack via snail mail!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->An active, non violent way to protest the census without exposing yourself to fines and punishment for not filling out the census would be to send in more than one form. The 2010 Census Form can be downloaded in *.pdf format here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&amp;source=web&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=9&amp;ved=0CC8QFjAI&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.census.gov%2Fschools%2Fpdf%2F2010form_info.pdf&amp;rct=j&amp;q=2010+US+Census+Form&amp;ei=wc6WS92FOdXp8Qbz7ewR&amp;usg=AFQjCNF89owwZ3Rwdi18cMEikQJulJmGSQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&amp;source=web&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=9&amp;ved=0CC8QFjAI&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.census.gov%2Fschools%2Fpdf%2F2010form_info.pdf&amp;rct=j&amp;q=2010+US+Census+Form&amp;ei=wc6WS92FOdXp8Qbz7ewR&amp;usg=AFQjCNF89owwZ3Rwdi18cMEikQJulJmGSQ</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure a half an hour in photoshop can remove the &#8220;informational copy&#8221; across the front. Then, use your printer to churn out copies of the form along with copies of the return envelope. You&#8217;ll have to pay attention to what kind of paper is used; and probably ink too, so that their machines won&#8217;t reject them.</p>
<p>Someone make a wiki! This could be like a DDOS attack via snail mail!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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